2 or 4 surrounds?

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  1. Barry_NJ

    Barry_NJ Well-Known Member

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    So currently my system is 4.0. I have a phantom center, LFE is routed to the mains, and I have 2 rear/surround speakers. I'm wondering if I'll get more/better dimensionality by adding some side surround speakers. They'd be placed about ear level where the little cubes with a "?" indicate. Also, when the couch is full, I center it in the room so no one is sitting against the wall ;-)

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    Thoughts?
     
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  2. DYohn

    DYohn Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    In my not at all humble opinion, you'll get much more bang for your buck by adding a center channel and a subwoofer.
     
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    Troof.
     
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  4. Mikael Soderholm

    Mikael Soderholm Active Member Donor

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    Many people say the center is the most important speaker, but that is only true if you don't sit in the sweet-spot. If you do, the center is unnecessary, your L&R will place the center sound correctly with no problem.
    A sub, on the other hand, is mostly a must, although I don't know what L&Rs you have, but very few have the capability of a good sub (unless they have an integrated sub themelves ...)
    Would you be doing 7.1, or just sending the same sound to the additional surrounds as the regular ones?
     
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  5. Barry_NJ

    Barry_NJ Well-Known Member

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    Well, I do have a sub amp driving the second voice coil of my Gallo Ref 3.5 woofers, and I can literally, feel it in my chest, and shake the floor above, with bass sounds/notes as it sits, so not sure I "need" a sub. The imaging is also really good, no trouble locating or clearly hearing dialog. Surround is also pretty decent currently. I think what I really want is some Atmos speakers, but my current processor blue-ray set up wont decode that any way, it will however decode DTS HD and Dolby True HD so it's good for 7.1

    Front speakers are Gallo Ref 3.5, rears are Gallo Ref Strada. If I add the additional surrounds, I'd probably replace the Strada with a pair of Optimus 7s, and a pair of Optimus 77 for the sides.
     
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  6. carlthess50

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    A center speaker makes a world of difference with music and movies.
    I have two and only use one at a time
    One of mine is a large Yamaha pro line speaker and the sweet spot is very wide because of the 22” wide horn for mids and highs and I just placed a svsound center on top of the Yamaha and I switch between the two
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  7. Mikael Soderholm

    Mikael Soderholm Active Member Donor

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    Totally agree, no need for a separate sub.
    Nice setup, some serious gear right there :).
    Having only 5.1 myself, I can't say what the difference is with 7.1, and as I don't have the room, I haven't really thought about it.
    In your case however, it might be nice, is there a way you can test before you buy?
     
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    So forget center and sub if that is your preference. No question you will see a big difference in sound coming from the sides in addition to, or instead of, rear. I wonder if you’ve ever just taken those rears down and set them up as sides to see what you think.
     
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  9. Barry_NJ

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    I suppose my biggest hesitation at the moment revolves around putting holes in the walls to hang the speakers :blush:
     
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  10. Phil A

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    Why not get small surrounds and put them on a shelf on the media racks? Just a thought (no holes necessary). I have a bunch of systems. Watch lots of Netflix in the bedroom system which has 5 in ceilings (92 inch screen that folds into the ceiling) and a couple of subs. I have a 4.1 system in the upstairs bonus room. My 4K HT is Atmos capable and has in ceilings in the rear and side surrounds and the main system is 11 channels (plus the sub) with in ceiling Atmos speakers in the rear and height channels above the mains.
     
  11. Barry_NJ

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    I have small surrounds to use, but there are no shelves to the left/rear of the seating location. So I could do that on the right side, just not the left. I may see if I can get some stands of the proper height to try them out.
     
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    DYohn Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    Easy quick and removable mounting method is to screw a good eye hook or two into the ceiling and hang the surrounds...
     
  13. Barry_NJ

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    Hmmm... This gives me an idea. Maybe I'll put up some picture rail to hang them from, then there are no holes in the wall or ceiling.
     
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    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    I would say if the room isn't ideal for a "to the specs" surround setup then I wouldn't bother going with 4 and just do two.
     
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    I think I can do "To the Specs" for placement of the 6(?)
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Well, I pulled the trigger and put mollies in the walls to hang the speakers, and I'm glad I did. It truly expanded the surround envelopment. Now to figure out if I can get another set of Gallo Strada, or possibly tame some of the brightness of these old Optimus speakers. Maybe a cap change(?)
     
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    Perhaps just partially cover the tweeters (e.g. bottom half or a bit more) with a drop of stick on felt or get non-stick on felt and use something like Museum Putty (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FJU290/?tag=homthelou-20) which can be easily removed.
     
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    That is an option that crossed my mind, there are also numerous articles/posts on the web about upgrading the crossovers in these things that I'm looking into. Could also add a resistor in parallel to the tweeter. I'm doing a bunch of reading ;-)
     

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