We bailed out automakers and they learned nothing

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  1. CJ

    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    We're in another cheap gas = huge vehicle sales boom again. Ford is even completely eliminating several passenger car lines in favor of small SUVs. Those SUVs naturally get better mileage than an F-150 but not as good as the cars they're replacing. Any way, this post isn't intended to be political, merely pointing out that automakers will take huge risk that they MUST know could go horribly wrong, chasing quarterly incremental earnings increases. I'm sure we'll be there again when they crash and burn.
     
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    DustinDavis Well-Known Member

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    Not sure how much is a function of gas prices vs. consumer preferences. There must be a correlation between those two variables also. But, I think the trend for some time now, my guess is across peaks and valleys in gas pricing, is customers prefer SUVs to sedans. Last article I read said the biggest reason was simple—they are easier to get in and out of.
     
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    Mike B Well-Known Member Donor Top Poster

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    My next car will likely be a crossover of some sort as large cars are no longer popular.
     
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    Denton Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    I'm not criticizing the consumer preference at all. I'm just watching the automakers put all their eggs in one basket just like they did with pickups and large SUVs before.
     
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    Chris Slade Well-Known Member Top Poster

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    CJ my guess is they are already altering the vehicle line up to produce vehicles that are better suited to electric power. Maybe this is wishful thinking.
     
  7. Mikael Soderholm

    Mikael Soderholm Active Member Donor

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    They learned they get bailed out when they fail, right ;)?
     
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    That's the main reason why I ditched my Chevy Cavalier for a Dodge Journey. My nest car probably won't be as big, but it will be as easy to get in and out of.
     
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    pillatier Well-Known Member

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    CUVs get car like mileage. They are a good alternate to sedans. Big SUV today get better mileage now than the previous versions. Their sales will still take a hit when gas prices go up again or when the economic cycle turns down.
     
  10. Carl V

    Carl V Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    if gas or diesel fuel were $5/gallon, & it ought to be, we’d see a different product line up. CNG is a distant consideration.
     
  11. CJ

    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    CNG and Hydrogen are dead. Battery electric is where ALL the research is so I expect that to be the future with a combination of dramatically improved range and dramatically reduced charging times (quick charge, range extending times).
     
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    The other issue not mentioned yet is profitability. SUVs and Trucks sell at a higher profit margin than cars. I'm really a car guy myself, I prefer the driving dynamics of a vehicle with a lower center of gravity, but I know I'm in the minority, and most folks don't care.
     
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    I'm too damn cheap to buy bigger cars and pay for gas. I have a HT hobby to attend to. :) I've had/have 3 Honda Civics over 25 yrs.
     
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    Tesla finally just hit the 35K$ mark for the Model 3. I imagine a lot of people have been holding out for that.
     
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    DYohn Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    Some new breakthroughs on fluidized battery technology promises to both solve the EV recharge time issue and the infrastructure issue since existing gas stations can be modified to handle it. If a company like Shell decides to back it (General Motors already is) it could be a game changer for electric vehicles.
     
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    DYohn Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    I test drove a Model 3. I did not like it - but I suspect younger people might.
     
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    Carl V Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    Hmm, why? I have not been in one.
     
  18. Michael M

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    Too loud? LOL
     
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    DYohn Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    Too small, too much like a video game, weird non standard dash, noisy as in tire noise, uncomfortable. To me. The model S is much much nicer.
     
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    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    I drove a Civic, I did not like it. To me the Lexus GS460 is much nicer.
     
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